Legislature(2001 - 2002)

01/31/2001 01:45 PM Senate HES

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
       SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         January 31, 2001                                                                                       
                             1:45 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All Members Present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview - Department of Education and Early Development                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 2                                                                                              
Relating to declaring March 2001 as Sobriety Awareness Month.                                                                   
     MOVED CSSCR 2(HES)OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SCR 2 - See HESS minutes dated 1/29/01.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Shirley Holloway, Commissioner                                                                                              
Department of Education &                                                                                                       
 Early Development                                                                                                              
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Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Yvonne Chase, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                           
Department of Education &                                                                                                       
 Early Development                                                                                                              
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801 W 10 St.                                                                                                                    
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bruce Johnson, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                          
Department of Education &                                                                                                       
 Early Development                                                                                                              
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801 W 10 St.                                                                                                                    
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Eddy Jeans                                                                                                                  
School Finance and Facilities Section                                                                                           
Department of Education &                                                                                                       
 Early Development                                                                                                              
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801 W 10 St.                                                                                                                    
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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TAPE 01-6, SIDE A                                                                                                             
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIRMAN  LEMAN called  the Senate Health,  Education  & Social                                                          
Services  Committee meeting  to order  at 1:45 p.m.    Present  were                                                            
Senators  Ward,  Davis,  Wilken  and  Leman.   The  first  order  of                                                            
business to come before the committee was SCR 2.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                  SCR  2-SOBRIETY AWARENESS MONTH                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD, sponsor of  SCR 2, moved to adopt a proposed committee                                                            
substitute.  There  being no objection, CSSCR 2(HES)  was adopted in                                                            
lieu of the original resolution.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that CSSCR 2(HES) adds  a reference to inhalant  abuse                                                            
on page  1,  lines 7  and 14,  and on  page 2,  lines 4  and 6.   He                                                            
pointed out that  change was made as a result of testimony  heard at                                                            
the January 29 hearing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIRMAN LEMAN asked  if anyone else wished to testify.  No one                                                            
did.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD moved  CSSCR  2(HES) from  committee  with  individual                                                            
recommendations.  There being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIRMAN  LEMAN  noted the  next  item on  the  agenda was  the                                                            
overview  by  the Department  of  Education  and  Early Development                                                             
(DOEED).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  noted he had to leave  to testify on legislation  in                                                            
another committee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
    OVERVIEW BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION & EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHIRLEY HOLLOWAY,  Commissioner  of  DOEED,  introduced  Deputy                                                            
Commissioner  Bruce Johnson, Deputy  Commissioner Yvonne  Chase, and                                                            
Beth Nordlund, legislative liaison to DOEED.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY stated  that five  fundamental beliefs  drive                                                            
the work of DOEED:                                                                                                              
   · All children, given adequate opportunity and support, can                                                                  
     learn.                                                                                                                     
   · High standards in early development programs increase the                                                                  
     potential for high student achievement in later school years.                                                              
   · High student standards, which set high expectations, produce                                                               
     high achievement.                                                                                                          
   · Results matter.                                                                                                            
   · Financial support for schools must be equitable.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY stated  that Deputy  Commissioner Chase  will                                                            
discuss quality  initiatives in early  development.  Afterward,  she                                                            
and  Deputy  Commissioner  Johnson  will review  the  new  statewide                                                            
assessment  system.  The  two will then give  the Committee  DOEED's                                                            
rationale  for the request  for a responsible  and fair high  school                                                            
qualifying  exam timeline.   She noted committee  packets contain  a                                                            
copy of the  Alaska Board of Education's  resolution on this  topic.                                                            
The two  will describe  other accountability  measures that  will be                                                            
implemented,  specifically  the  school  designator  program.    The                                                            
presentation will  conclude with Mr. Eddy Jeans, School  Finance and                                                            
Facilities  Section director,  giving the  committee an overview  of                                                            
the public school funding program.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  asked if the group  brought a copy of the  assessment                                                            
results.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  said they did and the results  could be found                                                            
in a DOEED document entitled "Assessment Overview."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER   YVONNE   CHASE   explained   DOEED's   early                                                            
development  quality  initiatives.   Those  initiatives  track  with                                                            
three  major categories  in  the quality  schools  initiative:   the                                                            
quality  professional standards;  the family,  school, business  and                                                            
community network; and the school excellence standards.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Under  the quality  professional standards,  DOEED  is developing  a                                                            
comprehensive    system   of   standards    for   early    childhood                                                            
professionals.   This design has been called the Alaska  SEED (State                                                            
Education  and  Early  Development)   program.    It  lays  out  the                                                            
competencies and educational  requirements for the various levels of                                                            
early development  professionals  - something  that has been  in the                                                            
works for three  years and is now  ready for implementation.   DOEED                                                            
was able to acquire  additional federal funding this  year that will                                                            
be used to implement the  design and assist the University of Alaska                                                            
in  completing  an essential  piece  of this  process:  a  bachelors                                                            
degree  program  in early  childhood  development  with  a  distance                                                            
delivery option.   This process was fast-tracked because  Head Start                                                            
is federally mandated to  have at least 50 percent of its staff have                                                            
CDAs by FY 03.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DOEED began a pilot childcare  apprenticeship program with help from                                                            
the Alaska Human  Resource Investment Council (AHRIC)  and a federal                                                            
grant.  The program's purpose  is to address the wage issues in this                                                            
historically  low-wage  industry.   The average  wage for  childcare                                                            
workers is less than that for a parking lot attendant.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Another initiative  is the  childcare grant  program and, thanks  to                                                            
the assistance of the Legislature  last year, it has expanded.  That                                                            
program  is  focused  on  licensing  facilities  in  the  state  and                                                            
increasing the quality of childcare programs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN  had  arrived  and  asked  Ms. Chase  if  she  had  any                                                            
information on licensing.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  CHASE  offered to discuss  licensing after  she                                                            
explained  the initiatives.    She explained  that DOEED  is in  the                                                            
process of developing  regulations that will place  greater focus on                                                            
standards  in childcare facilities.   Current  regulations  focus on                                                            
licensing. Some statutory changes may be necessary.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The next initiative  pertains to the  family, schools, business  and                                                            
community network, which  emphasizes the partnership among agencies,                                                            
particularly   DOEED  and  DHSS.     Because  resources   for  early                                                            
development are  limited, both departments wanted  to make sure they                                                            
were coordinated.  The  elimination of the waitlist in the childcare                                                            
subsidy program  has been  a major accomplishment  because,  for the                                                            
last several  years, the program has  had a waitlist and  the number                                                            
of families  needing  childcare  increased  to 1200  due to  welfare                                                            
reform  by   the  end  of  last  fiscal   year.    The  Legislature                                                             
appropriated  additional  funds for  the childcare  subsidy and  the                                                            
waitlist  has been eliminated  in every  location except  Anchorage.                                                            
Sufficient funds  are available to Anchorage and workers  are moving                                                            
through the list.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked if  that program  is run by  the Municipality  of                                                            
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER CHASE said it is.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  CHASE explained the last item  under the family                                                            
network initiative  is the development of a five star  rating system                                                            
for facilities.  A number of states are taking this direction to                                                                
give  parents a  clearer way  to evaluate  the  quality differences                                                             
among facilities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The last initiative  pertains to school excellence  standards.  That                                                            
initiative  is twofold:  DOEED is  encouraging accreditation  and is                                                            
trying to restructure  the system  to provide a financial  incentive                                                            
for  facilities to  move  through the  licensing  and accreditation                                                             
process.    At  this  time  only  25  of  Alaska's   facilities  are                                                            
accredited;  most  of those  are  on  military  installations  where                                                            
accreditation is required.   In reviewing the eligibility system for                                                            
the childcare  subsidy program,  DOEED is  looking at barriers  that                                                            
might prevent  parents from  using the system.   For example,  DOEED                                                            
can  subsidize  a  parent  for up  to  97  percent  of the  cost  of                                                            
childcare  but,  at  one  lower income  level,  the  subsidy  is  85                                                            
percent.    Therefore,  a  parent  who might  get  a  slight  income                                                            
increase may then have  the cost of childcare increase from three to                                                            
15 percent.   If the parent has two  or three children, that  amount                                                            
can be  substantial.  For  some parents,  the income increase  might                                                            
have been $100  per month while the  increase in childcare  costs is                                                            
more.  As a  result, some parents  are taking their children  out of                                                            
childcare and putting them in less safe environments.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1012                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS asked Ms. Chase to expand on that last point.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  CHASE  said if a person's  income falls  at the                                                            
top of the  category that allows for  a 97 percent subsidy,  a small                                                            
increase will place them  in the next category of eligibility, which                                                            
provides for an 85 percent subsidy.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked what age group the child care subsidy covers.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  CHASE answered birth through  12.  After school                                                            
care is covered for 13 year olds.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if Ms. Chase had  any suggestions to  remedy the                                                            
subsidy problem.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER CHASE  said one possibility is to create another                                                            
breakout  in the  eligibility  scale so  that the  subsidy does  not                                                            
decrease from 97 to 85 percent, perhaps a 92 percent subsidy.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD asked  if the  subsidy problem  is  causing anyone  to                                                            
decline additional income.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1167                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  CHASE said she has heard anecdotal  stories but                                                            
she believes it  rarely happens.  She thinks the opposite  may occur                                                            
- that  is the individual  takes  the pay increase  and removes  the                                                            
children from childcare.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked who sets the percentages.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER CHASE  said DOEED  does so  the department  can                                                            
look at the scale.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked if those rates are set by regulation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER CHASE said that is correct.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The  committee   then  turned  to   the  next  portion  of   DOEED's                                                            
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY  thanked Chair  Green for  inviting DOEED  to                                                            
have an in-depth  discussion with  the committee over the  next five                                                            
weeks on the high school  qualifying exam.  She suggested that DOEED                                                            
provide an outline to the committee for those discussions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said that would be fine.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  noted that committee members  have a document                                                            
entitled  "History  of Alaska  School Reform  Since  1991" in  their                                                            
packets.   She  pointed out  that  from 1990,  at the  onset of  the                                                            
development  of the content  standards, until  1998, standards  have                                                            
been voluntary  - use  was at  the discretion  of school  districts.                                                            
With the  passage of SB 36  and the exit  exam legislation  in 1998,                                                            
the standards in reading, writing and math became mandatory.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1313                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked if DOEED or the  Board of Education has  reviewed                                                            
the statutory requirements for high school graduation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  BRUCE JOHNSON  replied the credit requirements                                                             
are  established  through regulation.    Currently,  21 credits  are                                                            
required for  graduation.  Many districts  require more and  specify                                                            
particular  courses of study.  The  two issues facing a high  school                                                            
student are  meeting the local graduation  requirements and  passing                                                            
the qualifying exam.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked what  makes up the 21 credits and who decides what                                                            
is a reasonable requirement.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY said  to her knowledge it has been a long time                                                            
since  the Board  of  Education reviewed  that.   However,  she  has                                                            
noticed  that  districts  have  raised   the  bar significantly   in                                                            
relationship to the number of credits required.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said she thinks  that is an area that needs to be looked                                                            
at.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON  added that some  districts are  asking                                                            
the Board  of Education  to substitute the  credit requirement  with                                                            
standards.  The  same skills and knowledge would be  taught but seat                                                            
time would not be part  of the equation.  The Board of Education has                                                            
granted waivers to two  districts and two more will be considered in                                                            
March.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked  which two districts were granted  the waiver and                                                            
which two are pending.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON  said  the Chugach  and  the  Iditarod                                                            
School Districts  have been granted  waivers and Lake and  Peninsula                                                            
Borough and Southeast Island  School Districts are coming before the                                                            
Board in March.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY explained  that a standards based system moves                                                            
away from seat time and  focuses on whether students know and can do                                                            
what has  been identified  as essential.   Adding  credits does  not                                                            
guarantee  student results.   She said she  would look forward  to a                                                            
conversation on that issue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked if any of those schools are charter schools.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY   pointed  out  that  in  the  school  reform                                                            
outline, there  has been a great deal of process.   DOEED has worked                                                            
with many  groups across  Alaska on the development  of the  initial                                                            
content  standards   and  performance   standards  that   guide  the                                                            
development  of the test  and benchmarks, and  groups of people  who                                                            
continue  to  work  with  DOEED  on  the  renewal   process  of  the                                                            
assessment  system.  She reminds people  that the standards  did not                                                            
come out  of the Legislature  or the DOEED.   They came from  people                                                            
across the state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1540                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON referred to the "Assessment  Overview,"                                                            
which summarizes  some of the performance measures  to date.  Page 1                                                            
of  that  document  contains  the results  of  the  first  benchmark                                                            
assessments  given to students in  grades 3, 6, and 8.  A  number of                                                            
individuals   assisted  in  the  development   and  review   of  the                                                            
standards, which were ultimately  adopted by the Board of Education.                                                            
The  tests were  then developed  with  Alaskans selecting  the  test                                                            
questions.   About  40  percent of  the  field test  questions  were                                                            
thrown out  because they did not work  well with all populations  in                                                            
the state.   The  entire  examination program  is  based around  the                                                            
essential  skills in  reading, writing  and mathematics.   A  lot of                                                            
discussion  is expected from the Bush  Administration about  whether                                                            
or not states  should expand  beyond that.   DOEED is pleased  to be                                                            
initially  focusing on  these three  areas.  The  core concepts  and                                                            
skills represented in those  three areas are common across the state                                                            
and nation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER JOHNSON  referred  to the chart  on page  1 and                                                            
said  a number  of students  are doing  quite  well in  the area  of                                                            
reading.   The writing  assessment  scores are varied  and the  math                                                            
scores are strong  at the third grade level but drop  off at the 6th                                                            
and 8th grade levels.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN  asked  if  83  percent  of  the  eighth  graders  were                                                            
proficient.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON replied, "Or advanced."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  noted that literacy  is considered  to be at the  fifth                                                            
grade, fifth month level.  She asked how that equates.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON  said it does not equate because the bar                                                            
that was set for  eighth grade reading was based on  the skill level                                                            
considered necessary to master to take the next step in school.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked if some  of the students  might be college  level                                                            
readers but that would not be reflected in the scores.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON said absolutely.  They  would be in the                                                            
advanced group and score very high.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  said he spoke  to a teacher  who was on the  committee                                                            
for  the  math test  cut  scores  who  said  the math  exam  was  so                                                            
difficult an ordinary  student could not pass it.   The teacher told                                                            
him the  committee was supplied  a list of  questions about  scoring                                                            
from an outside  firm. The teachers  commented but never  heard back                                                            
or saw any of the comments  provided.  The teachers felt none of the                                                            
comments  or the committee's  analyses of  the questions were  taken                                                            
into consideration.   He asked whether the committee's  input on the                                                            
math exam score was used.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON   said  he   attended  and   actively                                                            
participated in  all meetings to set the passing scores.  He thought                                                            
the teacher  may have been referring  to two pieces:  one  was where                                                            
the passing  score is set;  and the second  was the feedback  system                                                            
set up by the  publishing company.   If questions were confusing  to                                                            
the teachers,  they were able to comment on those  questions through                                                            
a note card  process so those  comments could  be put in the  hopper                                                            
and considered  for  correction in  future examinations.   That  was                                                            
also true of the scoring  guides. If teachers felt the scoring guide                                                            
was confusing  or not aligned properly, they could  comment.  In the                                                            
actual establishment  of the scores, the students  had already taken                                                            
the exam,  which was scored  in California.   The only impact  data,                                                            
besides the standards  and test booklet, that committee  members had                                                            
at their disposal was an  ordered item booklet.  That booklet ranked                                                            
the  exam  questions  in  order  from  easiest  to  most  difficult,                                                            
according to  the students' scores.   Teachers decided individually                                                             
where to  set the scores,  then in groups  of seven, and finally  as                                                            
one group of  21.  At the end of three  days, all had to  agree on a                                                            
reasonable  place to  set the score.   Following  that process,  the                                                            
publishing  company   had  to  take  into  account  standard   error                                                            
measurement.    Every  test has  some  error  built  into  it.   The                                                            
publishing  company set the score  at the low end of the  confidence                                                            
range.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER JOHNSON  said he  participated  in some of  the                                                            
groups when  they actually  finished and  the facilitator asked  the                                                            
group  if  they  all  agreed  and  could  live  with  the  consensus                                                            
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked if a  person on the committee was not in the room                                                            
when the final  consensus was made, whether they missed  the meeting                                                            
or whether something was wrong with the process.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON said  he could  not  say exactly  what                                                            
happened in  that instance.  He stated  that throughout the  spring,                                                            
DOEED will see  if another group of 21 people will  come to the same                                                            
decision.   DOEED is  bringing six  of the original  group back  and                                                            
adding 15 new people.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1997                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  said something  is very wrong  with the perception  of                                                            
what happened.  The Legislature  assigned the duty of coming up with                                                            
an Alaska test.  Some of  the people involved in that process do not                                                            
believe it is an Alaska  test.  He indicated he would very much like                                                            
to know that all members  of the original committee were comfortable                                                            
with the  process so that  the work done is  not lost.  He  repeated                                                            
that he wants to know if something was wrong with the process.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said the committee  will have time to address that issue                                                            
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER JOHNSON  said the  next three  charts show  the                                                            
full  breakout  of  the  content   areas.    All  grade  levels  are                                                            
represented  with the percentage  that scored  at each level.    The                                                            
chart on page  3 shows the CAT/5 grade 4 results from  1998 to 2000.                                                            
Those  scores show  how Alaska  students performed  on a  nationwide                                                            
level.  Grade  4 students scored at  the 58th percentile  in reading                                                            
in 1998.  They  scored at the 57th  percentile in 1999 and  again at                                                            
the  58th percentile  in 2000.   Alaska's  students  score  slightly                                                            
above the national  average in reading  and writing and in  the 60th                                                            
percentile in math.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
On page  4, a  chart shows  the results  of the CAT/5  given to  7th                                                            
graders in  2000.  That test is normally  given to 8th graders,  but                                                            
because 8th graders took  the benchmark exam, 7th graders were given                                                            
the CAT/5.   Those scores  are comparable to  the scores of  the 4th                                                            
grade students.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked Mr. Johnson to  compare the results on  page 1 to                                                            
the results on the CAT score.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON  said they are two very different tests.                                                            
A norm referenced test  is a multiple choice exam; a standards based                                                            
assessment has  some multiple choice questions and  a fair amount of                                                            
performance  based questions requiring  students to explain  answers                                                            
or write short answers, etc.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  noted there was an  article in a newspaper  this week                                                            
by someone  from the Anchorage  School District  that said  the same                                                            
thing.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN said  it is  amazing how  similar the  percentiles  are                                                            
among both tests.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON  continued  reviewing  the  Assessment                                                            
Overview.   The chart on  page 5 shows the  number of students  from                                                            
the Class of 2002 that  passed the high school qualifying exam.  The                                                            
law requires that  students be provided the opportunity  to take the                                                            
exam for three years beyond  their normal date of graduation so that                                                            
class will  have 11 opportunities  to take the exam.  The  exams are                                                            
"stand alone" so that a  student does not have to retake any part of                                                            
the exam they passed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN asked if  a student would be attending high school for                                                            
other reasons if that student  passed all three parts of the exam as                                                            
a sophomore.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON  said yes, a student  does not  have to                                                            
retake  any part of  the exam  once the  student passes  it.   It is                                                            
recorded on the transcript  as a "pass."  He noted that the Class of                                                            
2002  had  10,217  students  in October  of  1999  but  that  number                                                            
decreased   to  9,142  in  October   of  2000.    The  decrease   is                                                            
attributable  to students dropping  out, moving out of state,  being                                                            
held back  and dying.   The first administration  of the  qualifying                                                            
exam  for the  Class of  2003 will  occur on  the last  two days  of                                                            
February and  the first of March.   Pages 6, 7, and 8 show  how well                                                            
the  school  districts  are  doing  across  grade  levels  with  the                                                            
standards  based assessments.   He noted DOEED  will be posting  the                                                            
school  report  cards  electronically  next  week.   The  site  will                                                            
contain almost  500 report  cards from around  the state.   In 2003,                                                            
DOEED will  be adding the school designator  to the website  because                                                            
by January  of  2003 DOEED  must rank  each  of its  schools as  "in                                                            
crisis,"  "deficient," "successful," or "distinguished."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN asked  how many  results will  be in by  2003 for  high                                                            
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON said six.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  said the number  of indicators  for grades 3, 6,  and 8                                                            
will not be as high but DOEED will have the CAT scores.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  asked if the school reports will contain  information                                                            
about how each school's students scored on the exam.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON said they will.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he would like  that information to look  at high                                                            
performing  schools that he  is familiar with  to compare them  with                                                            
other schools.   He would choose the  Alyeska Centralized  School of                                                            
Correspondence  as  being  a high  performing  school  but its  math                                                            
scores do not reflect that.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  invited him to Mat-Su  to see some strong performance.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked if the  data will show how many students who took                                                            
the test are new to the Alaska school system.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON  said  that information  will  not  be                                                            
available  on the school  report card that  will be available  later                                                            
this week.   DOEED does have  a transient  or mobility rate  but all                                                            
students who participated are included in the results.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if there  is any way  to break that information                                                             
out inexpensively.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON   stated  DOEED  is  providing  school                                                            
districts with  the ability to electronically  file.  Districts  can                                                            
do those  manipulations  if they  want to.   At  some future  point,                                                            
DOEED  hopes  to  be able  to  breakdown  that  information.    Many                                                            
questions surround the  issue of which students the school districts                                                            
should be held  accountable for: those  who have been in  the school                                                            
for two years,  one year, or from  the beginning.  DOEED  is working                                                            
on that through  the school designator.  The scores  of new students                                                            
doesn't necessarily  reflect  on the learning  at that school,  they                                                            
are more reflective of the prior school the student attended.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  said  he is  interested  in  getting  the  scores  of                                                            
students  who are  entering  Alaska schools  from  another state  or                                                            
country.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIR GREEN asked if those scores can be broken out in any way.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON pointed  out  that the  data could  be                                                            
disaggregated  in several ways at  the first entry into the  system.                                                            
DOEED  will  probably  not  do  that at  the  state  level  but  the                                                            
districts are  very interested in doing that to guide  the work they                                                            
do.  He offered to find out if DOEED has the ability to do that.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  said he is  particularly interested  in the data  from                                                            
Anchorage and Kenai.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN noted  that  some areas  of the  state  have had  large                                                            
immigrant groups  move in, which could  affect the benchmark  scores                                                            
and the exit exam scores.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  noted there has been a significant  drop in scores in                                                            
all high  schools.   He asked  if sufficient  data  is available  to                                                            
determine the retake success rate.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON  said he can  get that information  for                                                            
Senator  Leman.   That  information  is not  yet available  for  the                                                            
examinees  that  took the  test this  fall  because  DOEED is  still                                                            
sorting out how many of  those students took that test for the first                                                            
time.   Almost 2,000  sophomores did  not take  the test last  year,                                                            
even though they  were required to do so.  They did  not take it for                                                            
a whole host of reasons.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  asked if the chart on page 5 reflects  the same group                                                            
of students that took the test one year later.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON said that is correct.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN pointed  out that,  as the  test  was developed,  the                                                            
committee  of 21  people decided  what  a graduating  senior  should                                                            
know, yet the  test was given to sophomores so we  need to recognize                                                            
that sophomores took the senior level exam.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON  said that is  correct.  He noted  that                                                            
DOEED does have bar charts  that show how far from the passing score                                                            
students are,  in increments of 25  score points.  The scaled  score                                                            
ranges from 100  to 600.  Therefore, if the passing  score is set at                                                            
300, it is difficult  to determine whether a score  of 275 is a long                                                            
way  away  yet.   It  appears,  however,  that  two  more  years  of                                                            
schooling will be plenty to get that student "over the hump."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  indicated that he took  the sample test available  on                                                            
the  DOEED website.    He asked  if  that is  the only  sample  test                                                            
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER   JOHNSON  said   DOEED  contracted   with  the                                                            
publishing company to develop  a new practice test.  It is currently                                                            
available  to teachers  only.  That  test will  be available  on the                                                            
website on February 12.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if there  is a reason  it will not be  available                                                            
before February 12.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON  said the Board of Education asked DOEED                                                            
to  place an  embargo  on it  to allow  teachers  to use  it in  the                                                            
classroom as a  pretest before it became available.   Teachers could                                                            
use it as a diagnostic  tool to know what to do in their classes for                                                            
future exam cycles.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  JOHNSON said the last chart is  a framework for                                                            
continuous  renewal (page 9).   DOEED determined  early on  that the                                                            
standards will  always need to be refined as a result  of experience                                                            
gained,  feedback from  teachers  in the  field,  and feedback  from                                                            
students and families.   The continuous renewal process will involve                                                            
three content  teams of  18 to 21  people.  Right  now, 15  business                                                            
people will be working  with teachers and administrators.  They will                                                            
begin by examining  the performance  standards to determine  whether                                                            
they are  key to  later life  success. They  will also  look at  the                                                            
exam.  Their  final task will be to  re-examine the passing  scores.                                                            
Once that  process  is completed  in June, recommendations  will  be                                                            
given to the  Board of Education.   The recommendations could  range                                                            
from changing  the cut score for the math exam to  changing the test                                                            
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  referred to her earlier  question about what  the state                                                            
requires regarding  credits, and said  she doesn't see how  the exam                                                            
can go beyond what is required.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said his education beyond high school  required a lot                                                            
of higher mathematics  and the sciences.  He noted  he was taught at                                                            
the Ninilchik  elementary and high schools and every  concept he saw                                                            
on the sample qualifying exam he learned in grade school.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  gave the following summary  of why a delay in                                                            
the high  stakes  test is  being debated  and why  DOEED believes  a                                                            
delay is  important.  It  is obvious that  a lot of students  have a                                                            
long way  to go to  reach the  proficiency level.   The reasons  for                                                            
that can be  classified into three  areas.  The first reason  has to                                                            
do with the opportunity  to learn.  She suggested the committee hear                                                            
from  representatives  of  the Department  of  Law about  the  legal                                                            
defensibility  of the exam.  DOEED has to ensure that  every student                                                            
in this state  has had the opportunity  to learn the standards  that                                                            
their feet are being held  to the fire for.  Districts have to align                                                            
their curriculum  to  the standards.   Some districts  have had  the                                                            
technical  support and the  resources to do  that.  Other  districts                                                            
have not.  Alaska has switched  to a standards based teaching system                                                            
and many educators  have not had the  opportunity to be prepared  to                                                            
use this  new system.   In any  business, when  the way business  is                                                            
done changes,  a great investment must be made to  help people learn                                                            
how to work differently.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY reminded  committee  members that DOEED  just                                                            
received the data  from the first test.  DOEED knew  that whenever a                                                            
comprehensive,  statewide,   standards  based  assessment  is  first                                                            
built,  it  will not  be  perfect.    DOEED needs  time  to  refine,                                                            
clarify, and  improve this assessment.   She expressed concern  that                                                            
in the debate  about whether the test  is too hard or too  easy, the                                                            
focus  will be  lost.  The  focus  is not the  test -  the focus  is                                                            
improving student  learning.  The  focus is that young people  leave                                                            
high school  with the skills  and knowledge  to have choices  and be                                                            
successful.   The test is one tool  to provide data so that  schools                                                            
can change  what they are  doing.  One other  aspect is that  if the                                                            
date is delayed until 2006,  today's 7th graders will have taken the                                                            
6th grade  and 8th grade  benchmark assessment.   Schools will  have                                                            
the time to do the appropriate  interventions so that those students                                                            
can meet the  standards.  DOEED needs  to help districts  figure out                                                            
how to help students who  are not proficient in the benchmark exams.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY'S  third point was that the Legislature, Board                                                            
of Education,  families and  DOEED need to  work together to  figure                                                            
out what  to do about  special needs students,  transient  students,                                                            
students  whose first  language is  not English,  and students  from                                                            
military families.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  said that we don't want  to harm anyone in  the course                                                            
of trying  to improve the  education system.   He expressed  concern                                                            
about  the original  process  used to develop  the  test and  scores                                                            
because  he  wants  to be  able  to respond  to  real  or  perceived                                                            
problems he has heard about.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIR GREEN asked  Senator Ward to meet with Mr. Johnson  to discuss                                                            
that matter.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD commented  that one  person who  testified  previously                                                            
suggested  that every  teacher should  have to  take the  qualifying                                                            
exam.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY stated  that all Alaska teachers must take the                                                            
PRAXIS I test, which is a reading, writing and math test.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked the  Commissioner to report back to the committee                                                            
on the equivalency of the two tests.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY  agreed  to  do  that.   She  also  told  the                                                            
committee that  DOEED is committed to the school reform  effort.  If                                                            
reasonable  timelines can be established,  DOEED is suggesting  that                                                            
the schools continue to  administer the qualifying exam and that the                                                            
scores be posted  on students' transcripts to provide  students with                                                            
an incentive  to do well.   In addition,  the implementation  of the                                                            
school designator  program will put accountability  pressure on each                                                            
school, community and staff.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked  Commissioner Holloway to give a  report on public                                                            
school funding  at the next committee  meeting.  She then  adjourned                                                            
the meeting at 3:00 p.m.                                                                                                        

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